Thanks for your words of support and your reply!

>>Which primary axioms of neo paganism and transhumanism are you trying to
>>cross breed, anyhow??????

Would you mind very much if I saved my reply to this one till I get more opinions? I don't want to influence, alter or discourage anyone from replying and don't want to drive off any negative opinions. Thanks!

Would you mind very much if I saved my reply to this one till I get more opinions? I don't want to influence, alter or discourage anyone from replying and don't want to drive off any negative opinions. Thanks!
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dude, like holy crow, your getting responses on this nearly dead tribe.

stir the pot. stir. wake the dead. GONG GONG GONG....

(continue on then. but i hope ya answer eventually.)

I think Transhumanism is missing an important spiritual aspect. In 1966 the cover of Time read “God is Dead”. It had an article on a movement of people who believed that we no longer need God or religion or spirituality.

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The problem with this is that transhumanisms primary axioms include a sort of dogmatic atheism, at least to the extent of "spirituality is irrelevant". I'm not sure that i agree with it, in fact i disagree with it, but, i have to be honest about what the movement consists of and
where its head is at. The paradox in my mind on the other hand is that what spirituality as such actually means pragmatically is connection
to deeper levels of self an intelligence. Our culture is moving as a whole towards dumber and dumber, and this is not a good thing.
Religion and republicanism are the two paradigms most at fault for this, but consumerism and video games clearly play their own roles.
I think theres a name for that paradox. I wrote a story prescient of "total recall" and other such things like "Matrix" in which the hero builds
a virtual reality direct brain interface system and brings it to mass market. The result is his entire civilization crumbles, because when you
can experience anything you can program, who has any use for "Reality." In my version theres no "machines" and theres no "Bad guys".
Just human (alien actually) neurological nature and technology going too far till it finds that inverse flipping tipping point. The drama of the story is based on his attempts and, for the most part failures, to snap people out of it. Instead they just load their consciousness into
assorted mainframes, and their bodies die, en masse, of dehydration and starvation. You could think of this as an allegory for my real life,
because it is exactly the conversation i seem to have constantly, both with transhumanists and neopagans. What matters and what is important? Whats BS? Whats irrelevant? Where should hedonism end? What are the rational boundaries of responsibility? What is the true objective nature of subjective reality? Why can't i get 20 nerds on line to actually help me start working on technological singularities,
instead of listening to the utterly decayed propaganda of "the technological singularity"?

The difference is seemingly a small one. Agent smith is very adept at twisting things around and emasculating them till the original power
of a concept has lost its capacity for real empowerment. A technological singularity is potentially a made to order basement universe, infinite free energy, and instantaneous travel across intergalactic distances, all rolled into one. The "Technological singularity" is a willful
propaganda distortion which almost everybody buys into, which is the idea of technology achieving a sort of tipping point into technology 2.0.

The same thing goes on with neopagans. no matter how many times i try to point out that the 4 quarters really referred to the 4 main brain wave states of consciousness, theres not a neopagan organization in this country i know of thats not utterly trapped in beta brainwave activities, or, the opposite, drug induced theta hedonism.

Real spirituality meets real technology when we face the reality that "spirituality" is just a gear of the brain, and ritual is the clutch.
Where Taoism meets neopaganism and shamanism meets quantum mechanics, we find that spirituality is really about tuning the self
into the all; using sentience itself as the surface of the eyeball.

Second sight is not a mystery and its not impossible to obtain. It is a whole shit load of work, which neopagans in general don't do because they think its all about having a good time.

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Yet today, church membership is up and continuing to rise.
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There are numerous socio-economic reasons for that, and back to the root problem which is that technology toys have the capacity to ruin
civilization by offering sufficient distractions to make us all stupid.
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And while I also believe that most of the problems in the world today can be traced to somebodies religion,
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An understatement i won't try to dive into at this moment.
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there is still something there that people need.
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This is not true. They don't need any of that. They are fooled into thinking that they can meet needs with it, but its bait and switch.
All religion ever does is promise you spirituality, sucker you for faith and obedience, and hit you up for stupidity tax.
It doesn't deliver spirituality, and if it did, the first thing god would tell you is, RUN AWAY FROM THE CON ARTISTS!
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Something that connects us to each other, to our lives and the world we live in, and to deeper levels of ourselves.
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It does provide illusory levels of community, and since they took community away from us by renaming it communism and diabolizing it,
that means a lot to the mammalian brain, which is why ,most people keep going back; group belongingess and membership.
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If you want to discover more on this, Pagans ARE the people to talk to.
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I disagree. I used to think so, but my real experiences lead me to believe that pagans are in general just as trapped in dogma and lazyness
as christians or anybody else.
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A lot of Transhumanists get bent out of shape by anything that even hints at the supernatural (a term I’ve never really liked anyway) but it doesn’t have to be about that at all.
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Theres a place where technology meets spiritituality, and the paradox is that only crossing both inner thresholds gives you real access
to that new total domain. Technology 2.0 is level two because it encompasses spiritual reality rather than fighting or denying it, and thus
advances because it can think about and operate on the levels of reality previously termed "meta" physics. To be blunt, for instance,
the means by which to create an immersion level neural interface will only be accessible and understandable to a real, high grade shaman.
The reverse is also true. Spirituality 2.0 is that level higher because it incorporates science, rather than fighting it, and advances to the level
of spiritual realism, pragmatism, and genuine sanity.

Its exciting to think that the transhumanism tribe could be poised to explore this, but then, maybe i'm just reading into this potential exploration a whole lot more than what you were looking for.

You are clearly mistaken: Paganism is not a retro-progressive maneuver.

Paganism is a term used to describe a wide variety of religious & quasi-religious belief systems, some of them admittedly quite retro-progressive, but some of them not. In fact, many are quite, as you say, transcendent (or at least aspire to be). While there is doubtless overlap between certain pagan beliefs and Trekkies, not all trekkies are pagans and not all pagans are trekkies. Or SCAs. Or Carter aficionados.

Of course, none of that applies if your personal belief system tells you that anyone with any religious beliefs of any kind are retro-progressive, and therefore banned from the transhumanist club.