Evolving into Superman

topic posted Tue, July 5, 2005 - 5:19 PM by  Devastator Jr.
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On Point: Evolving into Superman
Aired: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 8-9PM ET

For two generations, technological progress has doubled about once every 18 months. And increasingly, we are focusing this innovation on enhancing humans -- to heal faster, concentrate better and live longer.

But some observers are wary. They say that by tinkering with human abilities, we're losing sight of human nature, culture, and values.

Does Superman have a soul? Can God keep up with information technology? As progress accelerates, we are forced to reconsider what it means to be human, and how we want to shape the future of our species.

Guest -- Joel Garreau, reporter and editor of The Washington Post, and author of "Radical Evolution: The Promise and Peril of Enhancing our Minds, Our Bodies - and What It Means to be Human."

Listen: www.onpointradio.org/shows/2...main.asp

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  • Jay
    Jay
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    Re: Evolving into Superman

    Thu, July 7, 2005 - 8:02 PM
    Don't confuse Moore's Law, which applies to semiconductor chips, with actual technological progress--for which there is no law.

    Progess comes in leaps and plateaus. It moves in a cycle, experiencing rapid change followed by a stagnation of innovation, then a breakthrough and the cycle begins again. The cycle speed is accelerating by the minute.

    Transhumanism isn't optional. It's the basis of our true nature, it is the backbone of our culture and the core of our values--to live better lives and to be able to care more for others.

    If transhumanism isn't the true message of God, if it's not the part of your soul that gives you faith in the future, then we are all in deep doodoo.

    Everyday, for as long has man has been able to, we have asked ourselves the question: "What's it mean to be human?"

    Today, even with our rapidly accelerating knowledge base, we continue to struggle to answer that question. Perhaps that's because we are on a plateau, on the cusp of a major breakthrough and we can feel it coming, and we're scared of the unkown. So we seek answers, from Science, from our Spirituality, from our Culture.

    And what do we find--almost certainly another Transhuman breakthrough.

    The future won't take no for an answer.

    • Re: Evolving into Superman

      Mon, July 18, 2005 - 1:45 PM
      :: The future won't take no for an answer.

      this sentiment seems to place humankind outside of the driver's seat. if 'progress' is the sort of thing that "can't be resisted", doesn't that indicate that our changing circumstances, in a manner of speaking, have taken on a life of their own, and might therefore be insensitive to genuine human need?

      i'm not taking a luddite position here - but it isn't obvious to me that the direction of technology points in the same direction of human welfare. i won't deny the many valuable technologies that exist - my point is that the value of these technologies to us is somewhat incidental, and that we should exercise choice and forethought when designing the future world rather than envisioning technology as some inviolable free-standing product of evolution.
      • Re: Evolving into Superman

        Wed, June 6, 2007 - 5:37 AM
        when designing the future world rather than envisioning technology as some inviolable free-standing product of evolution.
        ----
        well, i understand your sentiment, but technology is the product of human social and cognitive and contstructive evolutionary
        processes.

        i like the idea of designing soft and fluffy ape man environments for those future arcologies and starships, its an interestin
        balance and tachnology does neccessitate enahanced responsibilities.

        as far as the primary premise goes, if humaity survives the next 200 years we will be rapidly approaching the realm
        of operational biological nanites. If i could get a movement going out of this room to design, that could happen a lot
        faster.

        Biological nanites are one science explanation for making us into virtual superpeople.
        given that premise, i could make you bullet proof, capable of flight via electromagnetic induction, zero point energy powered,
        give you ten times the strength and a hundred times the stamina, and given some networking and a bit of a crisp
        frizz, we might even be able to increase reflex speed into the reptile brain sampling range.

        no more death, no more disease, and you can program yourself to take on the next look of whomever you find
        interesting to be in the master program puters... including probably hopping genders.

    • Re: Evolving into Superman

      Wed, June 13, 2007 - 6:38 PM

      >>>Everyday, for as long has man has been able to, we have asked ourselves the question: "What's it mean to be human?"<<<

      I ask what doese it mean NOT to be human. Is this posible if so where do I sign up? hehehe
  • Re: Evolving into Superman

    Fri, July 8, 2005 - 6:03 PM
    There seem to be two sides to this question; or human culture and values adopt to technological innovation or technology must always adapt to human culture and values. The later seems to be the equivalent of strongly restricting technological advances. As soon as a technological advance touches a sensitive point as to human values, especially religious ones, people try to stop it although they normally have no success.

    If the advance just results in a better way to space, there would be no significant problem. However, if the advance were to result in a easy, simple sex change, there would be an uproar, mostly based on pseudo moralistic reasoning.

    The ‘wary observers" in the original message were probably not as worried about "human nature, culture, and values' as they are about their own religious sensibilities. Human nature, culture, and values seem to take on technological changes, with time, quite comfortably thank you!
    • Re: Evolving into Superman

      Fri, July 8, 2005 - 8:41 PM
      I don't know 7, the Industrial Revolution was not very kind to individual humans.

      I think one of the things we might need to be wary of, is that while some of us, those of us able to afford the latest enhancements, could greatly benefit from these new technologies, there is also a danger of creating a permananent, unenhanced underclass.

      Also, there's the idea of "nano-sludge", self-replicating junk matter devouring everything in it's path.

      I'm generally optimistic, but I think there's a lot we have to watch out for.
      • Jay
        Jay
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        Re: Evolving into Superman

        Sat, July 9, 2005 - 2:55 AM
        Roy hits the nail on the head. To paraphrase: either you get comfortable with change, or you attempt to resist change.

        The unfortunate side-effect of successfull resisting change, is that everyone else gets smarter, faster, and wealthier before you. Resisting change makes you less competitive, which, over a long enough period of time, makes you extinct.

        Those who adapt to change survive. The risk of creating a permanent, disenchanted underclass is easily mitigated by the opportunity to improve the standard of living for the already suffering at the improvrished end of the spectrum.
      • Re: Evolving into Superman

        Sat, July 9, 2005 - 11:53 AM
        We are always going to have a permanant "underclass". All changes or technological changes cost a lot initially then later drop in cost until everyone has such. This is often put forward as a reason to not have new techniques and advances. Frankly I see this as silly. If the wealthy don't start to pay for an advance, then no one will get a chance at it! Motor cars, radios, TVs, etc. all started as playthings for the wealthy

        "Gray goo" or "nano-sludge"? Its been pretty well demonstrated that this is science fantasy stuff that would be extremely unlikely in real life.

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